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When was clothing invented? (2849 views)
Γραικίσκος wrote on December 7th, 2011 at 1:55 pm (quote)

L. Fiedler / G. Rosendahl / W. Rosendahl: Paleolithic from A to Z. Darmstadt 2011, p. 50)

A great and not easy invention - as one must say especially in the current weather!
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διψαλέος wrote on December 7th, 2011 at 6:16 pm (quoting)
One theory says that clothing is not just for protection from the cold
was invented, but also to protect sensitive and noble parts of the body for
unpleasant, stinging and sucking "lodgers".
Especially the areas of the body that are covered by a loincloth, for example,
are very sensitive.
That means the evolution: Loss of body hair <-> development of clothing was an interaction: the still "furry" human protected his noble body parts additionally.
That could have triggered an evolutionary surge.
But, nothing is known exactly
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ανδρέας wrote on December 7th, 2011 at 6:39 pm (citation)

I could imagine that women first used skins or similar to protect their babies from nature. From this the idea may have developed that one can also equip adults with clothes.
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ανδρέας wrote on December 7th, 2011 at 6:39 pm (citation)
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Γραικίσκος wrote on December 7th, 2011 at 7:31 pm (quote)
A number of recent (still existing) indigenous peoples leave their genitals uncovered in their clothing.
(Shame doesn't necessarily refer to what we are ashamed of.)
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ανδρέας wrote on December 7th, 2011 at 7:42 pm (quote)

The prehistoric humans certainly had other worries than shame or genital protection ...

Perhaps it was also the hunt that gave the impetus: one wrapped oneself in the hide of the prey in order to be able to approach the game undetected for as long as possible. Then the origin of the clothing would be very close to the beginning of the hunt with the spear. Until you noticed that the cover also warms and protects.
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ανδρέας wrote on December 7th, 2011 at 7:43 pm (citation)

... noticed that (bagged cement again)
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Γραικίσκος wrote on December 7th, 2011 at 7:50 pm (quote)
What I find so ingenious are the techniques used to make the coat 1. supple and 2. hygienic.
I definitely wouldn't have thought of the urine (the smell of which would later make the Gerber district so unbearable).
There is a lot of experience and experiment behind this.
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ανδρέας wrote on December 7th, 2011 at 7:56 pm (quoting)
Here is a thesis WHEN man invented clothing: 170,000 years ago.



http://www.nationalgeographic.de/aktuelles/mensch-traegt-seit-170-000-jahren-bekleidung

Well, that makes the head louse our scientific staff.
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Γραικίσκος wrote on 07.12.2011 at 8:00 p.m. (citation)

I break down ... with laughter.
But 170,000 BP is then the terminus ante quem.
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διψαλέος wrote on December 8th, 2011 at 3:01 am (quoting)
Banausen, all of them!

"Who has never loved in the tent,
don't know how the mosquito picks! "
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Σαπφώ wrote on December 8th, 2011 at 9:28 am (quote)
Catullus writes of funny Spaniards who polish their teeth with urine. Supposedly it is also somewhere in Dionysius of Halicarnassus. Who likes it; )
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διψαλέος wrote on December 8th, 2011 at 9:53 pm (quoting)
Not so stupid at all
Urine has a certain fungicidal and bactericidal effect.
Well, but as a mouthwash it takes getting used to ...
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Γραικίσκος wrote on December 9th, 2011 at 3:59 pm (quote)

On the advice of an alternative practitioner, I once used it to fight an athlete's foot. It took some getting used to, but it was successful.
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διψαλέος wrote on December 10, 2011 at 5:57 am (quoting)
You don't have any taste buds between your toes either.
(I hope so!)
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v wrote on 04/11/2015 at 01:05 am (quote)
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Φιλομαθής wrote on April 12th, 2015 at 7:16 pm (citation)
No less interesting is the question of when nudity was invented.
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ανδρεας wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 7:00 p.m. (citation)
Apparently, nudity was only rediscovered after it was taboo in the late 18th century:


see.

ww.ostsee.de/schon-gewuss/fkk-geschichte.html


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Φιλομαθής wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 7:42 pm (citation)
My question aimed precisely at this point of making nakedness taboo. It is very likely that the cultural history of nudity did not proceed as shown in Genesis, that people suddenly felt the state of being unclothed as improper and thus "invented" nudity as such, including clothing as a moral desideratum.

On the contrary, in many cultural groups in which clothing was known and worn, the lack of clothing does not seem to be perceived as the immoral state of nakedness and the veiling v. a. of the genitals to have been felt as a moral imperative.

Only in an environment in which such negative nudity existed, positive nudity could arise, the removal of clothes as a communication of cultural superiority. Richard Sennett explains in Meat and stonethat the Greeks, by showing their bodies publicly, assured themselves of their existence as civilized city citizens: "The city was the place where one could show oneself in serene nakedness - unlike the barbarians who aimlessly without the protection of the stone wandered the earth. " (Meat and stone, Frankfurt 1997, p. 43)
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Γραικίσκος wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:12 pm (quote)
If I remember correctly Hans Peter Duerr (The Myth of the Civilization Process, Vol. 1: Nudity and Shame. 1988), there was never a culture with natural, shameless nudity. This only appeared to us Europeans because some cultures leave uncovered parts of the body that we understand should be covered, especially the genitals; However, the members of this culture would never go into public without certain other items of clothing, which may be bracelets that we do not understand as items of clothing.

With shame, I think I remember Duerr's remarks, it is similar to the incest taboo: in some way they exist everywhere, but in very different ways.

One could use this to consider whether the later nudists might not also know feelings of shame in a specific way.
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Φιλομαθής wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:40 pm (quoting)
Good hint. I will do it when I get the chance. In Lichtenberg's little essay about The air bath By the way, you will not only be informed about the same, but also about the earth bath and its dangers: